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K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« on: December 26, 2017, 05:32:00 PM »
I had accident with bike in 2014. So cannot really service the bike valve clearance since side of head bolts are grinded to minimum on tar.
So bike had just home service which is change oil and oil filter.
Bike has 18000km on odo. But for a while I got misfire. Intermittent. Sometimes on start when cold. Sometimes when riding. Sometimes when start from hot (warm)
Got myself a GS911-wifi and downloaded following engine fault data
Fault Codes : 1
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21FE52 : Ignition coil 2, 5th in firing order, output open circuit Currently present : NO Engine warning light (MIL) : NO Frequency count : 52
Logistic(Healing) count : 39
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 15700.0 km
....ABS time : 2347249
....Engine speed : 1000.0 rpm
....Engine temperature : 23.6 °C
....Battery voltage : 13.90 V
....Ignition voltage : 13.83 V
....Record number : 2
....Odometer : 15700.0 km
....ABS time : 2347263
....Engine speed : 966.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 26.1 °C
....Battery voltage : 13.90 V
....Ignition voltage : 13.75 V
....Record number : 3
....Odometer : 17985.0 km
....ABS time : 10644326
....Engine speed : 2236.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 66.3 °C
....Battery voltage : 13.97 V
....Ignition voltage : 13.89 V

Ok what does that mean. How do I count the pistons? No 1 on left if I sit on the bike?
Any advice or tip would help a lot.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 07:33:16 PM »
Hello Radian, I believe the left most cylinder is #1 and the firing order is 1,5,3,6,2,4 making the 2nd cylinder from the left the fifth fired one.
In regards to your accident, I believe you mean the valve cover bolts not the head bolts are damaged? Not sure how this is possible without destroying the valve cover. perhaps you can explain this better.
 The cover bolts are only at 10 nm so they could be easily extracted by most any experienced mechanic. perhaps take it in to someone and get that done as it will be required before long anyway.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 05:18:44 AM »
New to the forum and using the GS-911. I am having the same error on a 2012 K1600GTL (except my error is 21FE22 vs 21FE52). I believe (based on youtube videos), Cylinder number 1 is on the right side (when sitting on the bike, disagreeing with the previous post). That would make Cylinder 5 second from the left (which agrees with the previous post).

I am frustrated because I just had the bike in the shop a month ago and they replace the coil on cylinder 2 (I did not have GS-911 yet so did not get the error code).

Any advice on coil replacement would be helpful. Not sure I really want to spend $1000 on new coils for a bike that has 23K miles. 

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2018, 11:10:17 PM »
I know this reply is late but I just got my GS-911 wifi and I have the same issues with engine misfires. The firing patter is 1-5-3-6-2-4. I had coil 2 and 4 that were failing and if you look at the report I believe coil 4 is cylinder 4 but 6th in firing order. Coil 2 is cylinder 5 but is the 2nd in the firing order. I wish the firmware reporting was clearer. Why can't it report which cylinder is misfiring without the notes such as coil 2 is cylinder 5 or cylinder 2 left on a boxer. BMW replaced coils on cylinders 4 and 5 and after getting my bike back I got 3 hits on coil 2 within 20 miles. BMW said they trusted their 5k dollar diagnostic reader over a 400 dollar tester. Don't know what to do after paying about 600 dollars and still have an engine fault light on.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 01:36:35 PM »
I believe (based on youtube videos), Cylinder number 1 is on the right side (when sitting on the bike, disagreeing with the previous post). That would make Cylinder 5 second from the left (which agrees with the previous post).

I am frustrated because I just had the bike in the shop a month ago and they replace the coil on cylinder 2 (I did not have GS-911 yet so did not get the error code).

Any advice on coil replacement would be helpful. Not sure I really want to spend $1000 on new coils for a bike that has 23K miles.

Do not confuse cylinder numbering with firing order numbering.  They are different.

Cylinders are traditionally numbered from left to right, when viewing then from the rider seat.  So cylinder No:1 is on the very left, the clutch lever side.  No:6 would be on the very right, throttle side.

The firing order is the sequence in which they fire.  They do not fire in cylinder sequence, ie. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.  The first cylinder to fir is the one on the very left (No: 1)  The next cylinder that fires is not cylinder 2 but cylinder 5, the 2nd from the right.

Cylinder number: |     1     |     2     |     3     |     4     |     5     |     6     |

Firing Order:        |     1st  |     5th  |     3rd  |     6th  |     2nd  |     4th  |


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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2018, 09:21:53 PM »
I believe you're absolutely correct on the cylinder and firing order. I just don't like how the GS-911 reports it. BMW diags tells you which cylinder is missing. Simple and you don't have any possiblities of making a mistake. Thanks for the response.

Bill

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 01:57:02 PM »
I know this reply is late but I just got my GS-911 wifi and I have the same issues with engine misfires. The firing patter is 1-5-3-6-2-4. I had coil 2 and 4 that were failing and if you look at the report I believe coil 4 is cylinder 4 but 6th in firing order. Coil 2 is cylinder 5 but is the 2nd in the firing order. I wish the firmware reporting was clearer. Why can't it report which cylinder is misfiring without the notes such as coil 2 is cylinder 5 or cylinder 2 left on a boxer. BMW replaced coils on cylinders 4 and 5 and after getting my bike back I got 3 hits on coil 2 within 20 miles. BMW said they trusted their 5k dollar diagnostic reader over a 400 dollar tester. Don't know what to do after paying about 600 dollars and still have an engine fault light on.

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Coil number and cylinder number are synonymous.  Looking at the highlighted portion of your comment above, you are correct in saying that coil 4 is cylinder 4 and 6th in firing order.  How then do you in the next sentence change the complete logic and state that coil 2 is cylinder 5?  Coil 2 is NOT cylinder 5.  Coil 2 is cylinder 2, but firing 5th in the sequence.

It is actually quite simple.  Just ignore the "Xth in firing order"

In your case you had coils 2 and 4 failing.  So that would be cylinders 2 and 4.  i.e. 2nd from left and 4th from left.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 06:58:52 PM »
I does look like it's not logical but here's my logic. In the printout if a cylinder number is not mentioned than coil # is cylinder #. BMW replaced the coils for cylinder 4 and 5. My print out said coil 4 and then coil 2 (cylinder 5). I don't like the report the GS-911 gives when reporting a bad coil because it leaves too much for interpretation in my opinion. The BMW mechanic said thery're diagnostic tool from BMW reported cylinders 4 and 5. I should write Mark Blomer of Hex Code again and ask for clarification again. His email is tfemark@gmail.com.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 07:24:54 PM »
Oh by the way coil 4 does say in the report it's 6th in the firing order so it is cylinders 4 and 5.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2018, 07:38:55 AM »
Oh by the way coil 4 does say in the report it's 6th in the firing order so it is cylinders 4 and 5.

Can you post a copy of said report from BMW?

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2018, 03:26:28 PM »
They didn't give me one I'm taking him for his word.

Here's my printout. Coil 4 6th in firing order.. cylinder 4,  coil 2 (cyclinder 5) BMW is right. Just wish the GS-911 would just say cylinder 4 and 5, it would be much clearer.

AutoScan : -
Base System Version :  0.254 - 0.157
Serial Number :  GS1 012 617
Registration : Bill Morrison
Date : 2018-11-06 20:02:27
Bike Information : -
VIN : WB1061107DZX81777
Model : K 1600 GT (K48)
Factory I-Level : K001-13-02-500
Actual I-Level : K001-15-03-512
Odometer : 22166.6 mls
Motorcycle Date : 06-11-2018
Distance to next service : 6214.0 mls
Service due date : 06-11-2019
 
XESA : -
Controller Name : XESA
Controller : 0F8400
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/02
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 0
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/02
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08AC
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0897
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0898
....Firmware Version : 001.002.000
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 089A
....Firmware Version : 001.002.000
 : Hall Sensor Installed, Rear Strut
Fault Codes : 1
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D7143A : No CAN message (ambient conditions from DME)
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 1
Logistic(Healing) count : 0
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 17590.0 mls
....ABS time : 1661645
....Vehicle Speed : 0.0 mls/h
....Engine Speed :  0.0 rpm
 
XAUDIO : -
Controller Name : XAUDIO
Controller : 0F8900
Serial Number : 8003254941
Manufacturer : Service rejected for unspecified reason
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/01/28
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 0
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 99/99/99
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 5
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 0EF4
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0FDE
....Firmware Version : 001.000.002
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0A47
....Firmware Version : 001.004.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0CBA
....Firmware Version : 001.004.000
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 0A48
....Firmware Version : 000.005.001
Fault Codes : 2
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B7F818 : Sirius aerial, open circuit
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 1
Logistic(Healing) count : 0
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 18114.4 mls
....ABS time : 214748364
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B7F819 : Sirius aerial, short circuit
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 1
Logistic(Healing) count : 0
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 16342.2 mls
....ABS time : 214748364
 
XASW : -
Controller Name : XASW
Controller : 0F8200
Serial Number : 1302400052
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/01/24
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 1
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 15/07/18
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 089E
....Firmware Version : 000.003.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 089B
....Firmware Version : 001.002.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 089C
....Firmware Version : 001.004.000
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 089D
....Firmware Version : 001.000.004
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found : 
 
XDWA : -
Controller Name : XDWA
Controller : 0F8700
Manufacturer : META System S.P.A.
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/01
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 1
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 15/07/18
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 0A4C
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0A49
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0A4A
....Firmware Version : 001.006.003
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 0A4B
....Firmware Version : 001.005.005
Fault Codes : 1
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800029 : Alarm activation
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 4
Logistic(Healing) count : 0
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 17594.9 mls
....ABS time : 214748364
....Record number : 2
....Odometer : 21685.0 mls
....ABS time : 214748364
 
XBCO : -
Controller Name : XBCO
Controller : 0F8A00
Serial Number : 1305607850
Manufacturer : Loewe / Lear
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/25
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 0
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/25
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08AF
....Firmware Version : 001.006.001
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0891
....Firmware Version : 004.000.003
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0892
....Firmware Version : 006.006.002
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 0893
....Firmware Version : 006.050.017
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found : 
 
XRDC : -
Controller Name : XRDC
Controller : 0F8100
Serial Number : 0461301907
Manufacturer : Schrader
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/15
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 0
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 99/99/99
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 0B49
....Firmware Version : 000.001.008
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0CB1
....Firmware Version : 000.002.025
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0CB2
....Firmware Version : 001.000.070
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 0B4B
....Firmware Version : 000.005.000
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found : 
 
XFSA : -
Controller Name : XFSA
Controller : 0F8000
Serial Number : 1304304292
Manufacturer : Loewe / Lear
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/13
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 2
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 15/07/18
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 4
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08B0
....Firmware Version : 002.005.001
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0894
....Firmware Version : 004.001.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0895
....Firmware Version : 006.006.002
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 0896
....Firmware Version : 006.025.002
Fault Codes : 1
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CC943A : No CAN message (from GM)
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 1
Logistic(Healing) count : 0
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 17590.0 mls
....ABS time : 1661646
....System Voltage : 12.60 V
....KL15 Status : 1
 
XABS : -
Controller Name : XABS
Controller : 0F8300
Serial Number : 6007400061
Manufacturer : Continental Automotive
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/04
VIN : ZX81777
Program Count : 0
Program Count Maximum : 1000
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/04
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 3
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08BC
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 08BA
....Firmware Version : 001.001.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 08BB
....Firmware Version : 002.001.000
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found : 
 
XKOMBI : -
Controller Name : XKOMBI
Controller : 0F8800
Serial Number : 0000025075
Manufacturer : Preh GmbH
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/25
VIN : ZX81777
Odometer : 22166.6 mls
Program Count : 1
Program Count Maximum : 1024
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 15/07/18
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 6
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08A7
....Firmware Version : 001.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0C4D
....Firmware Version : 001.001.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0CBC
....Firmware Version : 001.008.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0CBB
....Firmware Version : 000.003.002
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 08A6
....Firmware Version : 001.006.022
..Hardware Type (HWAP) :
....Firmware ID : 08A9
....Firmware Version : 255.255.255
Fault Codes : 0
No Faults found : 
 
BMSX : -
Controller Name : BMSX
Controller : 0F8B00
Serial Number : 0170035137
Manufacture Date (YY/MM/DD) : 13/02/02
Program Count : 2
Program Count Maximum : 60
Factory I-Level : K001-13-02-500
Actual I-Level : K001-15-03-512
VIN : WB1061107DZX81777
Odometer : 22166.6 mls
Firmware Date (YY/MM/DD) : 15/07/18
Kilometers when programmed : 0.00
Number of FW configurations : 5
..HW Electronics (HWEL) :
....Firmware ID : 08A3
....Firmware Version : 004.000.000
..Bootloader (BTLD) :
....Firmware ID : 0C49
....Firmware Version : 004.000.000
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0CBD
....Firmware Version : 008.000.001
..SW Memory Image (SWFL) :
....Firmware ID : 0D2F
....Firmware Version : 008.020.000
..Coding Data (CAFD) :
....Firmware ID : 08A2
....Firmware Version : 000.008.007
Fault Codes : 2
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21FE62 : Ignition coil 4, 6th in firing order, output open circuit
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 11
Logistic(Healing) count : 36
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 21674.4 mls
....ABS time : 12434261
....Engine speed : 900.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 183.2 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.15 V
....Ignition voltage : 14.07 V
....Record number : 2
....Odometer : 21674.4 mls
....ABS time : 12434270
....Engine speed : 891.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 182.6 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.17 V
....Ignition voltage : 14.09 V
....Record number : 3
....Odometer : 22094.5 mls
....ABS time : 14429151
....Engine speed : 980.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 84.3 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.05 V
....Ignition voltage : 14.00 V
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21FE22 : Ignition coil 2 in firing order (cylinder 5 or cylinder 2 (left) for Boxer), output open circuit
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 8
Logistic(Healing) count : 40
..Fault Code History :
....Record number : 1
....Odometer : 22094.5 mls
....ABS time : 14429270
....Engine speed : 3478.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 120.6 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.15 V
....Ignition voltage : 14.06 V
....Record number : 2
....Odometer : 22128.1 mls
....ABS time : 14602289
....Engine speed : 2394.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 181.3 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.12 V
....Ignition voltage : 13.96 V
....Record number : 3
....Odometer : 22166.0 mls
....ABS time : 14612663
....Engine speed : 1370.5 rpm
....Engine temperature : 179.1 °F
....Battery voltage : 14.08 V
....Ignition voltage : 14.03 V


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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2018, 04:58:20 PM »
They didn't give me one I'm taking him for his word.

Here's my printout. Coil 4 6th in firing order.. cylinder 4,  coil 2 (cyclinder 5) BMW is right. Just wish the GS-911 would just say cylinder 4 and 5, it would be much clearer.

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21FE22 : Ignition coil 2 in firing order (cylinder 5 or cylinder 2 (left) for Boxer), output open circuit
Currently present : NO



Your report does not say "coil 2 (cyclinder 5)"

It says "coil 2 in firing order (cylinder 5 ... "

I don't understand what there is to get confused about.

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Re: K1600GT Buid 2014 Engine Fault Misfire
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2018, 09:56:50 PM »
I understand that but when it's the first time I ever saw the report it was misleading to me. I get it now I just wish it would say the cylinder at fault that's all. Have a great day and happy holidays!