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Francois Barnard

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July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« on: July 28, 2023, 07:21:23 AM »
Hi GS-911 forum users,

July 2023 updates have been released. Please refer to the news page for more info: https://www.hexgs911.com/news/july-2023-software-and-firmware-updates/

Feel free to discuss the new release here ;)

Kind regards,
Francois
« Last Edit: November 24, 2023, 05:07:08 PM by Peet Badenhorst »

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2023, 12:46:14 PM »
Hi Francios,

please can you tell me which of these go on what bikes?  as in;

what is a "kombi" analogue instruments on a k25 air-cooled GS

whereas a "kombi 7" is xxx

and is" kombo 46" the one on the k1300GT and RTs or ?



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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2023, 02:31:38 PM »
Hi Francios,

please can you tell me which of these go on what bikes?  as in;

what is a "kombi" analogue instruments on a k25 air-cooled GS

whereas a "kombi 7" is xxx

and is" kombo 46" the one on the k1300GT and RTs or ?




Hi Botus,

Please have a look at the function chart which links each bike to its controllers in detail: https://www.hexgs911.com/function-chart/

Kind regards,
Francois

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2023, 03:10:51 PM »
Hi Francios,

please can you tell me which of these go on what bikes?  as in;

what is a "kombi" analogue instruments on a k25 air-cooled GS

whereas a "kombi 7" is xxx

and is" kombo 46" the one on the k1300GT and RTs or ?




Hi Botus,

Please have a look at the function chart which links each bike to its controllers in detail: https://www.hexgs911.com/function-chart/

Kind regards,
Francois

Hi Botus,

Realized this might be a bit unclear so just want to provide some clarity:
- KOMBI 7 is the K024 CAN-Kombi-K7 controller in the Function Chart
- KOMBI 46 is the K024 CAN-Kombi-K46 controller in the Function Chart

Kind regards,
Francois

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2023, 10:04:28 PM »
Hey Francois
I was doing a deep dive into the latest PC app 2308.1.  (Updated app and interface) Bike is a 2015 F700 GS.

Under Engine Controller/Service Functions/(off and online)BMSK Configurations there is a setting for wheel radius that lists 190/50-17, 180/55-17 and 190/55-17 none of which are remotely close to the OEM and current size of 140/80-17 this bike has.

Also under Vehicle Electronics/Service Functions/(offline)ZFE Configurations/Turn Indicators there is a setting for Rear Wheel Circumference that lists 1878, 1903, 1939 and 1981 mm again none of which  are close to the 2018 actual of the 1/3 worn tire on it.

What would these setting do? I played with them and none seemed to have any effect on the consistently inaccurate speedo.

There is also a setting for Tank Capacity that has a list that goes from 3-37 litres with 10 steps in it (every size BMW makes?) 16 which is the tank size wasn't selected so I did, what does this effect?

You also show a selection for the Kombi 7 which this bike has (can-kombi-k7) but those choices aren't there.

Thanks in advance for struggling through this post ;D

GS Jim

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2023, 08:20:01 AM »
Hey Francois
I was doing a deep dive into the latest PC app 2308.1.  (Updated app and interface) Bike is a 2015 F700 GS.

Under Engine Controller/Service Functions/(off and online)BMSK Configurations there is a setting for wheel radius that lists 190/50-17, 180/55-17 and 190/55-17 none of which are remotely close to the OEM and current size of 140/80-17 this bike has.

Also under Vehicle Electronics/Service Functions/(offline)ZFE Configurations/Turn Indicators there is a setting for Rear Wheel Circumference that lists 1878, 1903, 1939 and 1981 mm again none of which  are close to the 2018 actual of the 1/3 worn tire on it.

What would these setting do? I played with them and none seemed to have any effect on the consistently inaccurate speedo.

There is also a setting for Tank Capacity that has a list that goes from 3-37 litres with 10 steps in it (every size BMW makes?) 16 which is the tank size wasn't selected so I did, what does this effect?

You also show a selection for the Kombi 7 which this bike has (can-kombi-k7) but those choices aren't there.

Thanks in advance for struggling through this post ;D

GS Jim

Hi GS Jim,

Thanks for going through the trouble of doing a thorough deep dive and giving feedback.

Wilco will have to chime in on those wheel radius/circumference values as well as the tank capacity, but I am fairly certain those are the standard values on file for those controllers.
Regarding the KOMBI 7 service function choices, are you sure you were looking in the Online (HEX Cloud) list of service functions?
See this image:

If you have indeed used that menu please upload your GS-911 Diagnostics debug logs (https://www.hexgs911.com/faq/how-do-i-send-my-debug-log-files/) so we can determine why you are not seeing them on your bike.

Best regards,
Francois

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2023, 11:42:48 AM »
Hey Francois


Under Engine Controller/Service Functions/(off and online)BMSK Configurations there is a setting for wheel radius that lists 190/50-17, 180/55-17 and 190/55-17 none of which are remotely close to the OEM and current size of 140/80-17 this bike has.

Also under Vehicle Electronics/Service Functions/(offline)ZFE Configurations/Turn Indicators there is a setting for Rear Wheel Circumference that lists 1878, 1903, 1939 and 1981 mm again none of which  are close to the 2018 actual of the 1/3 worn tire on it.


circumferences for F700 std tyre sizes

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=110-80r19-140-70r17

                                                 110/80-19         140/70-17    
Diameter inches (mm)    25.93 (658.6)    24.72 (627.8 )    
Width inches (mm)                4.33 (110)    5.51 (140)    
Circum. inches (mm)    81.46 (2069.05)    77.65 (1972.29)    
Sidewall Height inches (mm)    3.46 (88)    3.86 (98)    
Revolutions per mile (km)    777.82 (483.31)    815.98 (507.02)

Wheel sizes shown are the same on the motoscan app - and seem to relate to road bike focused 17" wheels and tyres of their large capacity bikes...   

I believe the idea is to get the circumference of the front and rear wheels in the bikes brain matching up - so that the info it sees from the ABS sensors is aligned with the safety feature tables - they usually allow a 10% variance between each end before nanny intervention (to cope with a odd readings, different tyre brands, or tyre wear), so if you fiddle or change wheel diameter, expect things to not work correctly - its more likely Traction Control intervention that will be incorrectly triggered, rather than the ABS doing things, as ABS allows a wide range of difference as one bike wheel might have grip and another have none - but certainly the original 2007 ABS2 TC is based on the same indication of wheel travel being seen at both ends
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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2023, 09:22:40 PM »
Yes Francois I was looking in the online list. Tried again with same result. I sent the logs, or at least I think I did.
I can't figure out how to attach a jpg from my laptops hard drive. I viewed a post by Jughead and I still can't. On the reply window under "Attach" I choose the file, and then what? Also tried the "insert image" button above the text window but it won't paste between the img/img text.





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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2023, 09:24:44 PM »
Oops I accidently did it Haha

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2023, 09:26:18 PM »
The pics don't show up in the preview so I didn't think they were there.

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2023, 11:42:45 PM »
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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2023, 02:37:49 AM »
Yes, and easy to do 😂

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2023, 09:19:12 AM »
Wheel Radius settings under engine controller coding:
Yes, we are merely exposing built in controller supported options. We have not been able to gather any definitive answers as to how this affects things. It is however very unlikely to affect the speedometer. We had these options in our beta channel for months without any feedback too.
Botus has some good theories there.

ZFE configuration:
Here the Speed sensor and Rear wheel circumference should (I expect) affect any controller that polls speed (including the cluster for the speedometer). With only a 5% difference from smallest to largest circumference I'd suggest using GPS speed to verify changes and to select whichever is closest to true speed.
As for the coding options for Fuel tank capacity I would expect this would affect fuel level readings, but it might only be used by one of the two supported fuel sensor types. Again, we have not been able to find definitive answers to these questions. These are internal controller features that we are exposing and it's not publicly documented.

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2023, 11:41:22 AM »
Yes Francois I was looking in the online list. Tried again with same result. I sent the logs, or at least I think I did.
I can't figure out how to attach a jpg from my laptops hard drive. I viewed a post by Jughead and I still can't. On the reply window under "Attach" I choose the file, and then what? Also tried the "insert image" button above the text window but it won't paste between the img/img text.

Hi GS Jim,

Apologies just realized these functions on CAN-Kombi-7 are still in BETA, but they will be rolled out to general RELEASE today. Then you can check it out ;)

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Re: July 2023 Software/Firmware updates
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2023, 06:36:43 PM »
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With only a 5% difference from smallest to largest circumference I'd suggest using GPS speed to verify changes and to select whichever is closest to true speed
I did try different settings and do use a GPS for speeds and there didn't seem to be any changes but I will try again. Since I want the speedometer to read lower by about 5% then I would want to use the largest circumference (190/55-17, 1981mm) ?

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we are merely exposing built in controller supported options

 So they must use this particular engine controller (BMSK) and vehicle electronics (ZFE) on this bike on other models so that is why there are inappropriate sizes in there?
I don't understand why they have to make the readings so far out, my last 3 trucks and last 3 cars had spot on speedometers, my Kawasaki KLR650 was out by 9% till the speedo drive broke and I installed a Trail Tech computer that you can program wheel size to the mm and I have it perfect now, imagine a accurate speedo, crazy I know🤷‍♂️

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Apologies just realized these functions on CAN-Kombi-7 are still in BETA
Jumped the gun a little did you 😂. Oh well I will wait till stable release and then play with it then.