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F650GS Single Spark 2002

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mike d:
Well at least it's the same as on your frame and V5C. Don't know why the 'Motorcycle Information' VIN  is different.

Mike

WayneC:
Paul

First I would suggest you update the PC App to 2004.3 which was released recently, the banner on the forum is out of date

Re the message

"Failed to read controller info: no response from controller, check that the: ignition is on, kill switch in run position, neutral selected and immobilizer deactivated if fitted  - do you wish to continue?  Press yes if you do."

It is normal with the 650GS as it is only 3 wire to the diags socket, there is no V-Ignition pin for GS911 to detect Ignition is on

The VIN mismatch is indicating to you that the BMSC is a replacement which came from another bike & fitted to your bike then reprogrammed with the later firmware & VIN, note the BMSC Manufacturing Date is 24/8/2000, normally there was only a small difference in date between when the bike was assembled & the BMSC manufactured

The ZE40521 VIN shows 2000/10 production date which is the 2nd indicator the BMSC was initially in a previous year model

Basically the GS911 is grabbing the full VIN & VIN Id from 2 different records in the BMSC, log a ticket with Hexcode so they are aware of the issue being in 2004.1, that surprises me as there was some work to resolve it last year

FYI, when an ECU is programmed by BMW Dealer Software a record of the programming is stored in a history record area of the ECU EEPROM, it is a quirk of these early ECU's with no EWS that they can be reprogrammed to a different VIN, dont be concerned, the BMSC will perform properly

Paul Hoffmann:
Hi Wayne
Thanks for the reply.
I have updated to 2004.3 only after I read your helpful tip about doing it with the Download utility (had the same problem as the other person on the forum). 
After updating I still get the Vin mismatch in my Autoscan is this something particular to the GS911 or is it something that can be resolved by having a software update?
I did notice that the 911 was giving me the correct screens and let me reset all adaptations and do some output testing so if I do not need to spend anything else that would be good.
I guess an update at the dealers would be the best part of £30!!
Many thanks
Paul

WayneC:
Paul

Interesting the failure to update without using the downloader, I had not encountered it

Yes it is GS911 specific of getting the 2 different VIN values from different records in the BMSC, the GS911 makes the first request to the BMSC & gets the wrong VIN then makes the 2nd request & gets the full current record

The mileage for 650GS is only held in the Dash & there is no data comms to the dash so diagnostics cant retrieve it, that applies to the BMW Dealer System as well, the BMW system prompts the Dealer to enter the mileage manually so it appears on the reports

There is perhaps no need to go to a Dealer if the bike runs well, the Autoscan shows you are on Data release: 80003608, that is the latest, the 8000 is the Program Version which was the last version, 3608 is the Data Version & means Old Injector 156026 & RON 95

I should have checked that before, it suggests the Dealer did not check which Injector was fitted at the time of reprogramming or selected the wrong choice, check if your injector is black (new one) or grey (old one), the Bosch Part No is also on the Injector, the new one is 0 280 155 788

I find the RON 95 programming is better here in Oz these days, it handles E10 fuel well, my other BMSC with RON91 firmware I originally used in our arid country areas was better back then as in some little country towns the only fuel was RON 91

Paul Hoffmann:
Cheers Wayne I have just lodged a ticket with Hexcode.

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