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F650 GS R13 / 2000 / GS911 - BMS-C: reset adaptations for TPS / IAC not working
WayneC:
--- Quote from: Nicol Carstens on September 19, 2018, 12:40:40 PM ---I actually don't have an autoscan in hand for Jan's bike, but I constructed one from the logs. It looks like the firmware on the BMS-C in our F650GS here at Hex is 8000, while the one that Jan owns is at firmware version 5001. Do you think ECU firmware could be a problem?
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Ah Jan has the original firmware version much treasured by some, it makes the 650GS rock & roll but is not actually EU compliant & should not ever have been released to market, it was the reason for the mad scramble to update all in the field & resulted in the infamous surging & stalling problems of the 6000 & 7000 firmware releases, the 8000 series is the latest & most stable but a little more sedate, FYI 5000 series is RON 95 fuel only
5000 series firmware has a lower Diagnostic Index of 02 rather than the 04 of the 8000 Series so perhaps it is a factor, unfortunately I dont have a 5000 series BMSC here to do any testing to confirm if it is a factor in the issue
Nicol Carstens:
Wayne,
--- Quote from: WayneC on September 19, 2018, 01:29:12 PM ---Ah Jan has the original firmware version much treasured by some, it makes the 650GS rock & roll but is not actually EU compliant & should not ever have been released to market, it was the reason for the mad scramble to update all in the field & resulted in the infamous surging & stalling problems of the 6000 & 7000 firmware releases, the 8000 series is the latest & most stable but a little more sedate, FYI 5000 series is RON 95 fuel only
5000 series firmware has a lower Diagnostic Index of 02 rather than the 04 of the 8000 Series so perhaps it is a factor, unfortunately I dont have a 5000 series BMSC here to do any testing to confirm if it is a factor in the issue
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You are a walking F650-encyclopedia! Your wealth of knowledge is indeed incredible! Yes, I can confirm: Jan's bike is on diagnostic index 2.
I don't have a 5000 available either. I could try and ask the team to see if you can see if someone has uploaded data/logs from a 5000, but that would not be an easy thing to do. Sounds like a firmware upgrade wouldn't be a bad idea?
With thanks,
Nicol
WayneC:
--- Quote from: Nicol Carstens on September 19, 2018, 02:10:18 PM ---Wayne,
You are a walking F650-encyclopedia! Your wealth of knowledge is indeed incredible! Yes, I can confirm: Jan's bike is on diagnostic index 2.
I don't have a 5000 available either. I could try and ask the team to see if you can see if someone has uploaded data/logs from a 5000, but that would not be an easy thing to do. Sounds like a firmware upgrade wouldn't be a bad idea?
With thanks,
Nicol
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Ask Stephan about Haakon, he is the reason I became involved and he put together much of the knowledge I then built on & have on line
If I was Jan I would file the 5000 Series BMSC on the shelf for now & buy a replacement on line, program it up to 8000 series for every day use, the 5000 series would be good for those silly days when burning fuel is the fun ;D
Nicol Carstens:
Wayne,
--- Quote from: WayneC on September 19, 2018, 02:49:36 PM ---Ask Stephan about Haakon, he is the reason I became involved and he put together much of the knowledge I then built on & have online
If I was Jan I would file the 5000 Series BMSC on the shelf for now & buy a replacement online, program it up to 8000 series for everyday use, the 5000 series would be good for those silly days when burning fuel is the fun ;D
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Roger that! Will do. Thanks again. (Just had a look at your info on the F650 dash PCB level repairs: nice work!!)
Warm regards,
Nicol
stardust_59:
Gents, Nico, Wayne -
I am currently on a business trip and was muted by very long working days.
Indeed - I actually have two of these BMS -
one on the shelf (not mine yet but owner cannot do stupid things with it)
And the one of the current bike.
here is the version info from the Autoscan:
BMS-C
ECU Id (VIN): vvvvvvv
Part No.: 07658860
HW Version: C2
Diagnosis Index: 2
Software version: 5001
Manufacturing Date: 1400-04-10
HWOE No.: 25399630
Manufacturer: Hella GmbH
Data release: 50003611
VIN: xyz
VIN model year: 2000
I dug through my logs (both Tablet and Android)....
Yessss... Got it.
And another one, as above.
The third box :
Part # 07668133
HW Version: c2
Manufacturing date 2000-05-03
Program release 8000
Date release 80003601
I will surely try to get a hold of the other box (owner willing to sell).
So - two SW v5001 boxes - one on the bike I am debugging - one on the shelf.
Another F650 (engine trashed due to incorrect valve adjustment attempt) with a BMS - SW 8000.
BMW flashed the newer SW and messed up the VIN on that bike, as it was a third party (ebay) . They did not change the VIN.
BMW told my buddy all kinds of stories . which is why the SW5001 BMS is now shelved.
Gentlemen, the treasure hunt is on.
Tally Ho ! :-)
Jan
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