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Title: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
hi
i have this error on my GS 1200 my 2010 (with ESA and ABS)    :   10219
 i can't clear it via gs-911

The bike won't start and also the instrument cluster does not activate properly....what i can do??
thanks
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 29, 2015, 12:15:54 PM
Hi ciri,
10219: CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE
disconnect battery check voltage
remove fuel tank
check wiring to ZFE
disconnect ZFE, check the pins
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 05:04:08 PM
already done...the bike starts and works well....eccepts for the onboard computer : i can read hour and km , but it shows no gear or any info about abs ecc ecc

fault code is the same...
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 05:52:31 PM
is the ZFE fault??  61 35 8520262



here is my faults

Motorcycle Information

 
VIN: WB1045006AZX14114
Mileage: 16777215.0 km
Factory I-Level: K024-10-02-550
Actual I-Level: K024-10-08-500

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BMS-KP2BMS type: BMS-KP2
Part No.: 7723394
Hardware Index: 36
Coding Index: 3
Manufacturer: Bosch
Manufacturing Date: 2010-06-05
HWOE No.: 25935553
MCV: 0.6.2
FSV: 0.77.49
OSV: 2.3.1
Factory I-Level: K024-10-02-550
Actual I-Level: K024-10-08-500
VIN model year: 2010




1 fault codes found:

10219 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is currently present.
 

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Tyre pressure onlyRDC/DWA type: Tyre pressure only
Part No.: 7720818
Hardware Index: C4
Coding Index: 4
Manufacturer: Schrader
HWOE No.: 25947713
MCV: 0.6.0
FSV: 2.1.0
OSV: 4.0.2




No fault codes found

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Integral ABS 2 - CANPart No.: 7711978
HW Version No.: C2
Coding Index: 0
Manufacturing Date: 2010-06-29
HWOE No.: 25695105
Manufacturer: Continental Teves
MCV: 0.6.0
FSV: 2.2.0
OSV: 3.3.0
Free programming slots: 1
Serial No.: 6A6T001E5
Hardware No.: 07682002
Hardware star No.: 07711978




1 fault codes found:

54113 CAN-bus: No Communication with Vehicle Electronics (ZFE) control unit
The fault is currently present.
 

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CAN-Kombi H/LCluster type: CAN-Kombi H/L
Part No.: 7725817
Hardware Index: 7
Coding Index: 7
Manufacturer: Siemens VDO Automotive
Manufacturing Date: 2008-07-18
HWOE No.: 25838105
MCV: 0.6.0
FSV: 3.4.0
OSV: 3.3.10
Factory I-Level: K024-10-02-550
Actual I-Level: K024-10-08-500
Assembly No.: 07725817




1 fault codes found:

37641 Electrical System (KL30) under-voltage
The fault is not present now.
 
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 29, 2015, 08:42:04 PM
is the ZFE fault??

Hi,
mostly not.
Check in connector J1 on ZFE pin 1/3/29 for battery plus
pin 5 for ground and pin 26 for ignition "15" plus.  I think here is something wrong.
In addition:
pin 17 can-h, pin 16 can-l >>maybe this connections failed. To measure these cables/connections you have to disconnect
all ECU's from the wiring.

And what is about this entry?
Motorcycle Information
VIN: WB1045006AZX14114
Mileage: 16777215.0 km
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 08:54:40 PM
eh eh

i think this is going to far from my electric business...

i don't know about mileage..i have 30000 km write on computer...

let me se if i understood well

1 i have to remove all 2 connectors from ecu
2 with a tester i have to measure volt from a pin to black pole of battery (pin 5 for ground)? and one from red pole (pin 26 for ignition "15" plus)??

where i can find the numbers to check?wrote on pins??

am i right???
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 29, 2015, 09:00:50 PM
wrote on pins??

Hi ciri,
you're right! :)
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 09:04:24 PM
i am right???
almost incredible!!!

i have to check the 2 connectors in the way i wrote??

on the pin or on the ecu?? on the pin right??

thanks!!!!

ps what they are????
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 29, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
Hi,
please pull the connectors and than measure the cables :)
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
ooook
tomorrow i will do it!!
to be sure...i have to measure the volt...right?? in other words if there is passage of electric current??

thanks and sorry for my ignorance!!!( i mean...electrical one!!ahah)

ps i have to leave the battery WITH all the cables connected, right?
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 29, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
Yes, you're right :)
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on April 29, 2015, 10:23:44 PM
ok
....I am reading your post and I realized I did not understand a couple of thing:

what does it mean "pin 26 for ignition "15" plus"??

also "pin 17 can-h, pin 16 can-l "

and...which is the connector J1? the high or lower??
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on April 30, 2015, 11:49:04 AM
which is the connector J1? the high or lower??

Hello ciri,
connector is marked by J1 on the body of ZFE.
And if you use a good translator :) maybe this would help:
http://www.powerboxer.de/elektrik/267-4v2-zentraleinheit-defekte-bei-r1200
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 01, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
hi

here is my test...

FROM ZFE pins        to       RED                           FROM CABLE        to       RED

1                              0,010                                                0
3                               0,010                                                0
26                             0,008
29                             0,006                                                 0

FROM ZFE pins        to       BLACK

5                                 0                                                  0





i made 2 measure (cable and zfe...i am pretty sure one is nonsense but....)

i miss "pin 26 for ignition "15" plus"??

also "pin 17 can-h, pin 16 can-l "

because i don't understand what i have to do....thanks!!!!
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 04, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
sorry for being late

Ok. This is voltage measurement

Disconnect J1 from ZFE.
pin 1/3/29 in connector plug at the red line of your voltage meter, black to battery ground > battery voltage min 12,6V
pin 5 black line and red to battery positiv > same result > 12,6V
pin 26 red line and black to ground cycle ignition on > same result> 12,6 V


pin 17 can-h, pin 16 can-l >>maybe this connections failed. To measure these cables/connections you have to disconnect
all ECU's from the wiring. Then!! Resistance measurement!
after disconnect the battery!

pin 17 to BMS-K pin 53
pin 16 to BMS-K pin 52

pin 17 to ABS pin 30
pin 16 to ABS pin 15

here you have to read 0 Ohm Ω, otherwise check the cables for chafe marks.
Important points > wire straps

I think you need a wiring diagram. Please be careful, that's a professional job.
    8)exclusion of liability 8)
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 05, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
ok ....just to make the things clear

for volt measurement i have to take the battery in, the motor off AND the key to OFF???

and for pin 26    i have to take the battery in, the motor off AND the key to ON??

the  Resistance measurement it is not clear to me..i mean "all ECU's from the wiring" : what i have to disconect? any photo around the web??


i don't have a wiring diagram

many thanks!!!
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 05, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
hi

i made volt measure...

1-3-29 (from cable to black battery ) are ok (all of them are the same of battery, 13,6v)
5 ( from cable to red battery) ok, same of the battery
26 (from cable to black battery, with key ON) ok, same of the battery
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 05, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
hope to done right...
Resistance measurement ...i disconnect THE BATTERY, THE 2 CABLES ON BMSKP...

pin 17 to BMS-K pin 53       measured 8 ohm   (the same if i put red and black tester together )
pin 16 to BMS-K pin 52       measured 8 ohm   (the same if i put red and black tester together )
so i think that  i took the right cable..the BMS-K (is the smaller on BMSKP ????)


pin 17 to ABS pin 30   i measured nothing....!!!!
pin 16 to ABS pin 15  HERE THERE IS A PROBLEM...if the cable is right on 15 ABS i don't have any "metal pin " so i can't measure nothing
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 05, 2015, 10:35:25 PM
Hi ciri,
if the VIN is right pin 30 and 15 at ABS are right.
Please check wire colours in the ABS connector.
15 = white/brown
30 = white/black

Voltage measurement is good. :)

By the way, in addition you can check this wires to the Kombi(dashboard)
can high on 1
can low on 2

Just one question: did you any kind of retrofitting? Maybe this is the reason for your time out fault?

also zero Ohm
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 05, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
thanks

i will check colour..i need to remove black tape on the wires, right?? as i wrote...on 15 i don't have any connect to check, just empty space on plug)

i don't understand "can high on 1  and can low on 2"...how can i check them??

here are the fact:

a friend of mine made for me the wire from tom tom to bike connector (with original cable)
i connect it to the bike..and i am pretty sere i see little flash...but i really not sure..

after that, bike goes well for a  30min trip...but it seems tomtom won't charge (but was the first time i used this...and tom tom woke up with the bike engine,so i thought if was well done...mah???)

the day after i went to a long trip..after almost 30 min bike "says" the battery low...but i realized it after a while
i stopped for make gasoline and than the bike won't start up...battery went out of power
i had a second (not to much charged ) battery , so i decided to try again...but after 30 min the instrument cluster does not activate properly...no gear display,no turning lights ecc ecc...i stopped to check and again the  motorbike won't start...

IT SEEMS THE ALTERNATOR IS FAULTY???? but it faulty because of the instrument cluster does not activate properly ??


we tried to put the bike on (i am italian, and the bike stopped in switzerland...a friend of mine come to help me) also with battery cable between each other but nope...

that's all folks!!
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 05, 2015, 11:35:08 PM
good evening 8) :)

i don't understand "can high on 1  and can low on 2"...how can i check them??  In the connector of Kombi
uups, thought it was clear. The same procedure, from ZFE to Kombi.

another uuupps:
a friend of mine made for me the wire from tom tom to bike connector and
i am pretty sere i see little flash.

So disconnect this retrofit, check this cables and those who are close to them to ZFE for short circuit.
Hope this helps to find it out
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 06, 2015, 07:48:03 AM
hi
i already disconnected the cable from the plug (near the radiator, there is a plug made for navigators...)  when the first time battery went low...



sorry but i don't know what kombi is...where is the plu??

many thanks
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 06, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
CAN-Kombi H/LCluster type: CAN-Kombi H/L
Part No.: 7725817
Hardware Index: 7
Coding Index: 7
Manufacturer: Siemens VDO Automotive

That's the display panel / dash board / Anzeigeeinheit / Kombiinstrument /  8) ;)
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 07, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
here my 2 connectors...

http://imgur.com/3wU8BLn,4WSe19H
http://imgur.com/3wU8BLn,4WSe19H#1
Hi ciri,
if the VIN is right pin 30 and 15 at ABS are right.
Please check wire colours in the ABS connector.
15 = white/brown
30 = white/black


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Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 07, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
Hi ciri,
so just I'm a little bit confused :-\, can't find such a connector as you figured in picture 2? It's not the same as showed
in the wiring diagram. So I don't know how to give more help? In my document the ABS connector has 47 pins?

Picture 1 looks like ZFE.
And Picture 2 seems to be from BMS-K Motor ECU?

I will try to find it :)

Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: schuppi on May 09, 2015, 12:19:45 AM
Hello ciri

Sorry to frustrate you :( . But I'm not able to find such a connector with 96 pins.
On every ABS-module I looked for, is a connector with 47 pins and CAN-Bus is always on pin 15 and 30.

Within the next few days I'll be on the road and can't give any informations, sorry.
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: ciri on May 13, 2015, 08:06:38 PM
no problem


i went to BMW and after a few tests, they said first to change ZFE ...after  that...it can be anything!!!

or just ZFE....mah

i check if there are used ones...i have the  61358520262....if you search REALOEM for the, there are many other codes...are them the same??
thanks



EDIT

i mean  http://www.realoem.com/bmw/it/partxref?q=61358520262

does it says 61358520262 it is Superseded by
61358521877 (02.08.2010 — 13.06.2013),
61358531470 (12.03.2012 — 13.06.2013),
61358536929 (12.03.2012 — 04.06.2014),
61358552125

and i can mount one of those??
Title: Re: 10219CAN-bus error
Post by: Laxman on February 22, 2018, 02:57:56 PM
Hi,

Having the same issues on a 2010 GS12. Would just like to clarify on the CAN Hi/Lo wiring resistance check suggested ( pin 17 - BMSk pin 53), which pin 17 are you referring to? The ZFE - BMSK connection? Noticed the BMS-k ecu has 2 connectors. (58-pin and 72-pin).  Thanks.