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TPM Retrofit for 2025 R12S
botus:
its now mandatory that access to German servers by third parties is possible - USA is in front of most other countries and you can buy access (if you have decent kit) I believe for one of use at around $30 for 24hrs https://aos.bmwgroup.com/
I guess this company do it so often they have it set up to work - the bigger issues is the software they used and the connection to the bike - I guess some how they connected to base and used that to talk more easily your end...
https://aos.bmwgroup.com/
not heard of this car based setup
https://www.bmwofmacon.com/blog/2024/march/19/how-does-bmw-remote-diagnosis-work-bmw-service-center-macon.htm
key:
Very interesting, thanks. Had no idea something like this existed. I've been wondering how it was that an independent entity managed to obtain access to BMW's server in Germany. Makes sense now.
Just for grins, I looked at what information is requested on the application form. It unfortunately requires a business license, so no love for individuals like myself. However, perhaps this provides some path for the HEX or Motoscan developers to incorporate coding for late model bikes that use secure gateways.
WayneC:
--- Quote from: botus on November 18, 2025, 03:08:57 PM ---its now mandatory that access to German servers by third parties is possible - USA is in front of most other countries and you can buy access (if you have decent kit) I believe for one of use at around $30 for 24hrs https://aos.bmwgroup.com/
I guess this company do it so often they have it set up to work - the bigger issues is the software they used and the connection to the bike - I guess some how they connected to base and used that to talk more easily your end...
https://aos.bmwgroup.com/
not heard of this car based setup
https://www.bmwofmacon.com/blog/2024/march/19/how-does-bmw-remote-diagnosis-work-bmw-service-center-macon.htm
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A little misinformation & confusion between 2 systems, OTA (Over The Air) updates & diagnosis is relatively new, access to BMW on line diagnostics & programming has been in place for many many years including for independent repairers for both bikes & cars going all the was back to the inroduction of EU 5/6 regulations which most consider only emissions regulations, there have been 3 names for it, the latest is AOS. The US is not in front of most countries, it has all been lead out of the EU
Subscriptions to AOS can be daily/weekly/monthly/annual, years ago the annual subscription wwas $20k for the bike dealers
The interface between the vehicles & AOS is normally an ICOM or JXXX pass through device, direct ethernet to vehicle is not supported but is in the system & considered "experimental"
There are also 3rd parties set up for remote as key has found to enable the retrofit & they do mainly service the car market as that is where the $ are
botus:
--- Quote from: WayneC on November 19, 2025, 11:30:44 AM ---
A little misinformation & confusion between 2 systems, OTA (Over The Air) updates & diagnosis is relatively new, access to BMW on line diagnostics & programming has been in place for many many years including for independent repairers for both bikes & cars going all the was back to the introduction of EU 5/6 regulations which most consider only emissions regulations, there have been 3 names for it, the latest is AOS. The US is not in front of most countries, it has all been lead out of the EU
Subscriptions to AOS can be daily/weekly/monthly/annual, years ago the annual subscription was $20k for the bike dealers
The interface between the vehicles & AOS is normally an ICOM or JXXX pass through device, direct ethernet to vehicle is not supported but is in the system & considered "experimental"
There are also 3rd parties set up for remote as key has found to enable the retrofit & they do mainly service the car market as that is where the $ are
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the USA in front comment was more generic, I was inferring there seems less childishness in the USA across many manu. maybe I'm mistaken, but I have been reading about the rights to access manu servers in the USA for years and struggle to find much about it in europe
not sure I like the remote diagnosis - very clever and might help a few now and then - but it really means they are spying on everything as you drive - which I do not support. And I'd rather they stop adding silly tools and features and just build the vehicles reliable - instead of with deliberate weaknesses
the missing bit in my post on AOS is the costs - businesses might be happy to have £$€ 2-3 worth of gear to add TPMS to a vehicle - its not really cost effective for owners
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